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| Robert Burton with one of his conquests |
[ed. - Robert Burton no doubt considers the biblical Commandments "quaint". According to his rules, coveting another's husband is fair game. Like many Fellowship of Friends wives and girlfriends "sea" got much more than she bargained for when she entered a relationship and marriage with a handsome young man. She would have to compete with Robert's insatiable lust.]
"sea" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 29, 2008 at 8:44 p.m.:
Robert Burton uses manipulation. Over time his followers are groomed for this experience: he continually tells them that their lower selves will resist any thing that will bring them closer to awakening, he plies the males with luxury and ‘beauty’ has them floating in an unreal bubble, in which conscience and personal integrity are gradually dissolved and rejected as ‘feminine dominance’.
Women are groomed to allow their husbands to comply.
Eventually Robert pounces. If the follower rejects him he will threaten them with having to work out doors in the serf roles that those he is not having ‘sex’ with generally perform. Or he will tell them that they have to return to their home-lands which are often impoverished. He is prone to extreme jealousy and has been known to banish current ‘sexual’ partners simply for falling in love. He railed at my dear friend his most devoted and loyal follower for half an hour with out stopping and then banished her from his sight at events.
The sexual activity has been very unpleasant for most males that I have spoken with. The ‘loving’ experience is a myth. I did once meet a follower who applauded the experience briefly; but he suffered years of disgust and despair afterwards. The degradation is very difficult to absorb. You make excuses for it: it is so weird and ugly and cold and bewildering, and you are so desperate to believe that Robert holds the key to your higher centres that you re-describe what is happening to you in terms which make it bearable.
I know one follower who has been close to Robert for years, and who says that Robert is very ‘gentle’. But he has to do this… saying anything else would mean facing the full tragedy of his situation, facing himself.
One of the characteristics that enables Robert is that he does not mind if his boys absolutely hate the experience, as long as they comply. They have asked him about this but he somehow shakes their questions off. He sometimes makes their orifices bruised swollen and bleeding and mildly insists that they are being forced to let go of their lower selves. He tells them that it’s only their bodies, their ‘King of Clubses’ that reject it.
In the beginning Robert also manipulated his female followers in to having sex… there is testimony about this on the esoteric archives. It was disturbing reading: he had no interest what so ever in their pleasure. [ed. - see Bonita Hightower's "History of the Fellowship of Friends"]
I do not judge the students who submit to this: I know that they comply because their hope and longing is so desperate. I am so sad though that this ghoul has exploited (and necessarily obstructed) their search.
The sick reality only began to press against the boundaries of my bubble when Robert told a follower that he did not enjoy the teaching events and meetings, the follower had to press him to continue, reminding him of the money they made; so Robert did continue but reluctantly, saying “I only do it for you boys…”
"brucelevy" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 29, 2008 at 8:52 p.m.:
295 sea [blog post and blogger]
I didn’t know RB before 1974. He told me he had sex with one woman in his life (and he didn’t like it), so I don’t know about it being more than once (I read the excerpt so I don’t know if that’s the woman).
But yes, he has a whole list of standard arguments that eventually work. Think about this, other than males with ambiguous sexuality (whether they know it or not) do you think RB gets to fuck with straight men because he’s attractive, intelligent, disarming, pitiable? It’s pure psychological and spiritual manipulation of a psychopath.
"brucelevy" added:
296 brucelevy
Have to add a caveat:
The boys are also either naive idiots, or whores for power, greed, attention and the benefits of access. We’ve all been one or the other, sometimes both. That part is our responsibility to a greater or lesser extent. But the crime is still the crime.
"somebody" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 29, 2008 at 9:07 p.m.:
296 Can you say more about males with ambiguous sexuality? What do you mean?
Also, how can a person be so stuck in sex? Is it all Robert thinks about – his boys and “techniques” day after day?
"brucelevy" responded:
298 somebody
No it’s not the only thing he thinks about. The other two are money and bright shiny objects.
Ambiguous sexuality…meaning people who don’t know that they are inclined to gay or bisexual sexuality. One joins under the self misguided, or outer misguided (like parent’s wishes) assumption that they’re straight and find a convenient excuse to go the other way. I don’t think that specifically is bad. It’s better for one’s happiness to find out. But to call it something else is being dishonest with one’s self.
"somebody" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 29, 2008 at 9:29 p.m.:
295 sea
Thank you!
In the documentary I saw a few days ago “Inside the Cult” one thing made me particularly sensitive. When the secretary of the cult leader told that the “God made this horrible thing – he FORCED Michael to sleep with my wife” It was so touching to see a man refusing to see the truth. One can only imagine that if something would destroy this buffer in him that his wife and his teacher were ‘forced’ against their will into an intercourse – he would probably kill them both!
But with RB’s boys it is not so obvious. So many times I heard “they like it, many of them are bisexual, or have extra sex energy, they would not do it if they did not want to, it improved them as men, nobody forces them!” And of coarse the guys themselves look happy, excited, on the mission and – well dressed… I know a few ‘boys’ who preferred relationship with Robert and left their wives and children to be with the teacher and to travel with him.
And at the end people get tired to worry about those strange guys, and focus on the rose garden. Or the sequence.
"Anna" ("sea") wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 29, 2008 at 9:30 p.m.:
M and D get such bad press
In my experience they are very sincere seekers. They are also smart. M was horrified to discover about Robert Burton’s proclivities and he almost left the school. But he also felt that there was something ‘wrong’ with himself; Robert exploited this vulnerability by telling him again and again that his King of Clubs was holding him back, whilst simultaneously wooing him with wealth and compliments. The grooming took two years, and then Robert demurely led his conquest into the bedchamber.
I think that M’s disgust at the sex was part of the key to his compliance. The experience was so bizarre so ‘illogical’ so unknown… that he persuaded himself that it could be the product of something ‘other’. Having submitted he literally prayed that it was consciousness.
It was a relief for him that his equally logical friend D was drawn into the web: it must have bolstered his hope that ‘there was something to it’. He has continued supporting it, I suspect, because the more other people that comply, surely, the more ‘right’ it must be…
M has lied brutally to females in order to satisfy his personal whims; however he is most definitely under the influence of that shimmering and morality-free ‘bubble’ in which the inner circle are enclosed.
And he’s not a sneak; he doesn’t report on Fence-sitters. Nor is he a jelly brain he will give you a rigorous debate about his doubts and yours… he’s discretely and honestly curious.
Like us he is most definitely a product of the Fellowship of Friends: A cult for (relative)intellectuals.
"brucelevy" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 29, 2008 at 9:40 p.m.:
301 somebody
“I know a few ‘boys’ who preferred relationship with Robert and left their wives and children to be with the teacher and to travel with him”.
He frequently creates situations where one is forced to decide between their wives and toys, travel and access. Some people willingly or unwillingly succumb to being smacked on the nose with a rolled newspaper while hearing “put out or get out”. Or “Your marriage is interfering with the desire of higher forces to have me work with you more closely goodness”.
"Sea" ("Anna") wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 29, 2008 at 9:43 p.m.:
Bruce,
I have heard two other versions of ‘the truth’ from different boys: Robert Burton was married to a student who was actually in the school in the 1990′s; He had a girlfriend, who he left and who then committed suicide. He seems to tell different things to different people.
I suspect that he may actually thrive on the fact that the boys don’t like it. And that his choice is less to do with homo-sexuality and more to do with the depth of his manipulation; seeing how far he can push, and then how much further: in other words with his psychopathy…
"brucelevy" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 29, 2008 at 9:45 p.m.:
Conscience does not exist at the top of the FOF hierarchy. There may have been a spark, but it’s put out by one’s weaknesses (greed, power,lust, avarice and vanity). Once it’s gone, there’s no limit to the shit one will do to others, regardless of how altruistic they once were. Reinforcing and promoting the status quo is as criminal as the original crime.
"brucelevy" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 29, 2008 at 9:51 p.m.:
304 Sea
You’re right about his ever changing stories, but in my experience the stories you related are pure bull shit, probably to reinforce the idea that he’s not REALLY gay, he’s just an angel or princess trapped in a male body.
As far as him liking it because the boys don’t like it, I think it’s more that he just doesn’t give a shit. He’s a sociopath. This kind of self reflection, even unconsciously, just doesn’t exist in these people. Like him dismissing valid questions…it doesn’t matter, so it won’t be dealt with. I wouldn’t attribute any kind of “external consideration” or normal human elements to this pariah.
"Anna" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 29, 2008 at 9:56 p.m.:
301 Somebody
“I know a few ‘boys’ who preferred relationship with Robert and left their wives and children to be with the teacher and to travel with him”.
303 Bruce
Also as wife, you DO become ‘a pain’ you are nervous agitated and afraid. You cannot sooth him when he comes home, there’s no bubble, especially if you have a child.
Actually you are the one who needs the support; his dim conscience may recognise this but in his by now distorted perception he may reconfigure this as a ‘demand’.
Also Robert Burton has informed all followers that Women are a denying force to Men, and that children are a denying force to women…
And that women represent the queen of hearts etc etc.
"brucelevy" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 29, 2008 at 10:06 p.m.:
307 Anna
Need one say more?
"somebody" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 29, 2008 at 11:37 p.m.:
307 Anna
I appreciate your truthful letter and your postings. Why do you think Robert wanted you to come to Isis? If he is so jealous of his boys – why would he invite such a beautiful woman any near?
"Rear View Mirror" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 30, 2008 at 4:01 a.m.:
Another Name: “GRRRRRRRRRRR”
Well, if it makes you feel any better, the women of the fof were by far more interesting to me than anything Robert had to offer. :) And I’m sure I speak for many other men.
Robert didn’t succeed in all of his of his manipulations, and I’m sure he still doesn’t succeed in all of them. And I’m sure this is a constant source of frustration for him. One hundred thousand orgies with 20-year-old men would not soothe his frustrations. This is his curse, and one of the reasons that he doesn’t let up.
"Just Another Voice Out Here" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 30, 2008 at 8:25 p.m.:
on [the expression] “Robert has asked”
Do you remember what the Wizard of Oz says when he dismisses Dorothy and the others after their first audience with him? Not “Goodbye,” not “Remember what I’ve told you,” but “The Great Oz has spoken!”
“Does anyone have any suggestions for addressing the question of Robert’s GREED and LUST to current members in a way that it could be heard and acknowledged?”
Kill one man and you are an assassin. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill everyone, and you are a god. ~ Beilby Porteus
People are offended by the small acts of greed and lust they see others commit in their daily lives, and (occasionally) are shamed by those they observe in themselves. But when they see greed and lust on an enormous scale, they view it as something else entirely, and even as its opposite. RB knows this and uses it intentionally.
People join the Fellowship because they want something they imagine they don’t possess–call it consciousness, awakening, salvation, purity, whatever. That creates from the outset a problem that becomes obvious only in retrospect. Then they imbue the Dear Leader with magical powers because they want so badly to believe that he can give them that which they believe they lack–which only a magician could possibly do. From then on, they do not interpret his words and behavior as those of a mere mortal, with the same implications, but as those of a god, with whatever implications he ascribes to them.
In RB’s case, he even said, many, many years ago, that his chief feature was greed, but people choose to see his greed as something other than greed.
How to persuade someone that a person is greedy when they have already seen, over a period of years, that person do everything possible to surround himself with every imaginable form of material object and bauble, stuff his gullet with food and drink like Henry VIII, collect inordinate sums of money for every imaginable service, no matter how trivial, and generally act in a way that would cause any rational person immediately to roll their eyes in disgust at his absurd greed?
How to persuade someone that a person is filled with lust after they already know he cannot stop himself from having his every orifice rubbed every few hours? When they already know he is obsessed with trolling the world for new meat?
RB brags about his lust–that it cannot be satisfied by dozens of boys. He makes his inadequacy into its opposite, calls it “heroic.” And people believe him, because the alternative is too painful for them.
People who will pay large sums of money to dress up in clothes they cannot afford to sit slack-jawed while a simple-minded man mumbles incoherently about the esoteric significance of the number of toes on a puti are really not capable of processing information in a rational manner–they want that Something they believe they lack, and they will believe anything rather than accept that they already have it, or that Big Daddy cannot give them anything of real value.
I know because I was there.
Something I remember was when I looked in RB’s medicine cabinet and noticed that he had new containers of toiletries–deodorant, cologne, toothpaste–stacked one behind the other, three or four deep, so that as soon as one had been used up, there was another right there, ready to be opened, and he wouldn’t have to take the trouble to walk to the store, or even ask someone else to bring him a new tube of toothpaste. It was a small thing, but the impression of greed somehow impressed me more than all of the fancy cars, fancy furniture, wasted food, etc., I already saw everywhere around me.
"Anna" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 30, 2008 at 8:40 p.m.:
Somebody (342)
A couple of Robert Burtons’s insightful photographs:
here’s one he gave me, via of course a boy follower, was “Robert sends you his love and wishes you to know that he’s noticed you’ve put on weight”.
The first challenge of course was to turn this in to something ‘esoteric’ I spent about a year on that.
~
Oh yes… he asked my husband to “only wear black underpants from now on.”
~
Of the fifteen thousand students who have left the school quite a number have already described their experience on the blog. Many had been in ‘denial’ about it for years. You would get statistically more accurate descriptions from here. It is terribly difficult to confront the awareness that you have participated in something degrading…
One of my ex-husbands told me that he loathed it. He said it was totally unemotional and unpleasant. That Robert would just wait there for him with the lower half of his face covered with KY. He could not even arouse himself by closing his eyes and imagining women, so Robert insisted that he took Viagra.
Around Robert you enter this strange world in which heartfelt reposes become very confused. Disgust is translated into ‘third state’ It is very difficult to admit that you are disappointed, or repelled especially when you have sacrificed so much, dignity, your family’s happiness, and ultimately perhaps your soul…
How many ‘events’ have you paid dearly for and then nothing really happens; you don’t have the fourth states and verifications you have craved. So what do you say when asked “how was it?” How do you elaborate…
"Bares Reposting" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, August 13, 2011:
Look, my friends, here is the scenario:
REB lives under his own different laws. There is no male child that REB lays eyes on that does not fall under his spell to groom and have sex with as soon as they are capable of ejaculating into REB’s mouth. Does it happen at a very early age? That is anybody’s quess. (Someone care to fess up here?) But this I can tell you: There are many parents that have precautionarily kept their male children at a distance, and out of sight of, REB.
Do you remember that the Lewis Carroll Elementary School used to be on the property of the Fellowship of Friends (Pathway to Presence – Living Presence – Church of Robert Earl Burton) directly across Hans Christian Andersen Way from the residence of REB? Hans Christian Andersen Way was the name of the main entry road to the FoF property at the time, where the residence of REB was #44 – O! so make believe a fairy tale. From REB’s location, with or without binoculars, the children could be watched.
In the early 1990′s, around when AG first arrived to live longterm in Oregon House and to become the Fellowship of Friends main lawyer, there was the T.B. underaged sex abuse lawsuit brought by Ford Greene. AG was to defend REB against this case, in a ‘no holds barred’ (no maneuvers prohibited) sort of fashion.
At about the same time, there was a lawsuit that AG was working, where some fellowship members were denied access to the property where they lived by the Olivehurst Gospel Assembly (OGA), whose property the access road passed first. The direct quote from REB on how to treat this case was: ‘Go for the jugular,’ as in jugular vein, that is, go for the kill. The case was won but not without significant strife for the Fellowship of Friends and REB. OGA became a thorn in the side of FoF for awhile. But that is a side story.
T.B. did not attend that elementary school, that I am aware of; he was too old. But several departments (octaves) of the Fellowship of Friends were the grounds to employ all sorts of ‘darlings’ of REB’s so that the young men were indentured servants (slaves) and were nearby for quick access for sex. T.B. was one of those.
The message from AG to REB after the TB case was: I cannot defend you against this sort of thing. (The case was settled out of court for a reported $5 million.) So, stop doing that – make sure the sex is with adaquate aged persons and consentual. Would this stop REB? Hell no! He must have his cake and eat it, too.
The way to prevent backlashes from sex partners is to compromise their ability to attack in the TB fashion. So, grooming male children of fellowship members from the time of birth, is a way to grow your own. Example: E.T. and C.C. (an REB personal secretary) had 3 children. They were considered the ‘Royal Family’ as REB doted upon them big time. Their first born male child had REB as godfather. Ownership had been established – except for the tattoo of ‘this property belongs to REB’ on the child’s buttocks. C.C. probably, eventually woke up to where this was leading. E.T. and C.C. split from Oregon House and went to live in Europe. They gave up a new home (which was across Rice’s Crossing Road from REB’s residence) that was virtually given to them along with a life where their needs were ever met by REB. E.T., likely, still is wide-eyed and naive about this from what I know – she still loves REB like a father, god, and teacher – still in a fairyland.
So, is it plausible that AG’s son could come under such perdition? What irony would that be? Defend REB under these circumstances and then have your own flesh and blood exposed? REB can plan and conive and wait patiently for years to get what he wants. The longer he waits, the more tantalizing the prey becomes. Meanwhile, what AG wanted for his child, did that matter? REB has the magic wand in one hand and a club in the other – just like REB describes of Influence C.
"Anna" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, February 21, 2009:
Hello Yesri
Actually I don’t find the contradictions in the boys statements surprising. Common sense and a little self reflection were precisely what we were taught to avoid.
Before being drawn into Robert Burton's machinations, Tatiana’s young friend had probably been appalled at what adult life turned out to be like. He was desperate to escape it. When he found out about this phenomenon called ‘awakening’ or ‘enlightenment’ or ‘consciousness’ there was a sparkle of hope at last. If he could awaken he could escape honourably, without becoming lost in life’s corruptions.
Then he discovered the Fellowship of Friends, and he was warned that there was a price to pay for this consciousness. He trusted the Fellowship because he had for as long as he could remember been desperate to trust someone, but everyone and every thing had failed him. But this system and these students seemed so plausible, so sincere; it was easy to pin his dreams on to them. He was told that ‘awakening’ was very difficult and that the more he paid and suffered the more likely he was to achieve it.
He was told from the start that Robert Burton was conscious. He hoped desperately that this was true. He had longed for someone who he could respect and trust enough to lead him in to the light. Burton suggested to him that he was special and that he had rare potential.
Burton pampered him as he began to believe that he deserved. The boy was told that it was his ‘play’ his fate, to be part of the elite. He also learned that if he didn’t want or value the patronage of the earth’s greatest ever conscious being, he could go and work long hours in the vineyard or return penniless to Siberia. These understandings caused twinges of fear which luckily dissolved at the glorious sunny potager lunches, and other events.
Finally Robert Burton asked the boy to do something that for him was unimaginably disgusting and that would accelerate his chances proportionately; he persuaded him to do what ‘Inner circle Facts’ described on this blog [see "Inner circle facts," below].
During these hellish orgies he would sometimes experience what I have now learned is called psychosis. His consciousness would leave his body, or a strange peace would overwhelm him and transport him away from the agony that his body was experiencing. He would tell himself that these experiences were ‘higher states’.
In the wake of these nightmarish orgies, he felt again the twinges of fear and doubt. Sometimes he would even be carried away with paranoia: what if he were expelled? What about the guns people carried around here? How could he go anywhere without money and qualifications or even a visa?
But above all he WANTED to believe, he was desperate to believe that Robert and his promises were genuine. It was a belief that he was already paying for dearly… he couldn’t afford to be wrong.
When his friend Tatiana asked him about the truth of Inner Circle’s expose, he admitted that the post was about him that, that he had been
“… chosen to urinate on RB” that he had been “asked to sh…t on RB” he said “I don’t know how people write and do not afraid that they will be run over buy a bus!”
But in the light of his great hope, and of more sunny potager lunches, and the support of his plausible fellow students, often his instinctive fears and repulsions would dwindle.
I guess instinctive fears and repulsions are what balanced folk call ‘common sense’
"Anna" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, February 21, 2009:
[Reposting from March 1, 2007, "Inner circle facts" wrote:]
Are you ready for some brutal facts?
Who would like to know how its really happening in his bad room? OK folks,fasten your sit belts,the Kansas going Bye Bye…
Did you know that usual orgies are formed from 4 to 6 student?.Usually two of them are SIMULTANEOUSLY entering Burton’s anus.Third person is laying on his back while Mr.Burton is providing him an oral sex while two from both sides are subject to the masturbation by MR.Burton with his two hands.
Some time there is one more student who’s role is to hold Burton’s testicles in his mouth during the whole time.Prior to all, by Burton’s request Viagra pills are shared and swallowed between all members of the orgy which are constantly provided by Mr.G.
Some time you can hear Burton’s words during the sexual activities “How incredible! We are getting closer,aren’t we?”
Some of them are asked to suck his nipples and his toes.All sperm gets swallowed by Mr.Burton at the end of the act.But that is not all yet.
There are two students who had the most terrifying and most humiliating role to play (in my opinion).They have to enter with their hands by their elbows into the Burton’s anus.(Looking for Consciousness perhaps)..both students are Russians.One of them had left the school and the other has been “shipped” back to Russia for disobedience.
And now get this:
Beside those depraved scenes there is another one which going to shake you all:
There is another act that Burton is preforming with a specific student of his own “inner circle”.This act of Humiliation is performed in his bath room while Burton is laying down and 3 students are urinating right on him!
And on the next morning,like nothing happened Mr.Burton is leading the meeting on Love?
How cynical indeed!
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