"Who is this man, and why does he say those things?" Robert Earl Burton Quotations

Robert Earl Burton, "an angel trapped in a man's body"

From the Fellowship of Friends Wikispace page:

Robert Burton quotations from "Thoughts from the Teacher" (Fellowship publication)

Jan 12, 2003:

I feel our good fortune quite deeply this morning. We are at the dawn of another year of working with the Gods. We have been chosen out of six billion people to consciously evolve.

Jan 26, 2003:

It is a long wait with Influence C. I am into my best period as a teacher. When I turned sixty, my higher centers matured in a certain way. I can now see what is in front of me. I can see the obvious in everything. For example, if I read a thought by Peter Ouspensky, I can see whether it is right, and appreciate it, or whether it is not, and correct it.

Jan 26, 2003:

I do not think; I am present. Therefore I am—a conscious being.

Jan 26, 2003:

[To a student traveling with Robert for the first time] You will start to alter your essence. You will eat things that you did not grow up eating. Everybody does it: the Japanese learn to eat Italian food; the Chinese learn to eat French food. You will also gain more experience with wine. You own a vineyard now, so you want to educate your essence in wine and move towards a Mediterranean aesthetic.

Jan 26, 2003:

On my level, I see sleep wherever I go. I cannot see it otherwise. I would have to be asleep to see it as awake.

Jan 26, 2003:

Student: I try to understand how you think.

Robert: I do not think—that is my virtue. I just see. I have immortal vision. All these people have mortal vision.

Feb 02, 2003:

One reason there are not more schools is that there are not more teachers who care about their students—and there is nothing I care for more than my students.

Feb 02, 2003:

I turned down the air-conditioning one degree—but I did it with presence. It is so important to do your work in private. One by one my students will join me in Paradise.

Feb 02, 2003:

I find it unique that I am the first man in history who asked for “Presence Please” from his students.

Feb 02, 2003:

Only I can love all of my students. What parent does not love all of his children?

Feb 09, 2003:

We will be celebrating the miracle of the almond blossom around February 6th or 12th of each year. We will also be celebrating the Chinese New Year, as well as each conscious being’s birthday. We will invent dates for those we do not know, to fill the sparse months.

Feb 09, 2003:

I see these things as the Gods see them. (…) Increasingly, I tend to look at the success of Apollo and of your evolution in terms of how long I shall live. The longer, the better.

April 6, 2003:

It is within my power to make my students immortal, and it cannot be achieved in any way other than that which the Gods dictate. Immortality is yours—you just have to accept their methods. You cannot expect to have a normal life with Gods in your life, because it is already abnormal to have Gods in one’s life.

April 6, 2003:

I was looking into a fireplace the first time my higher centers appeared. They were aware of themselves, and aware of the fireplace, and it lasted about twenty minutes. That was my first experience with myself. (…) There were two reasons why the Gods had me look into a fireplace. First, the eternal flame of cosmic consciousness had been established by the Gods. Secondly, I was looking into the inferno of hydrogen warfare.

April 6, 2003:

I crystallized in what was then the Blake Cottage. My last ‘I’ before going to bed was, “It is not going to happen tonight,” but I was wrong. I awakened between 3:00 and 4:00 a.m. and it hit. I was facing Mount Apollo with my back turned to California, and my higher centers fused. There was thunder and lightning, and when it cleared my world six was looking straight ahead, completely unfazed by the event. In a school, what one gains, we all gain, and my story is your story. Self-remembering is the greatest gift that one can ever receive, and one must give it to oneself.

April 6, 2003:

Having founded Apollo and a civilization, I will appreciate the perfected nature of Paradise more than any other conscious being. Augustus said that he found Rome brick and left it marble. I found Apollo dust, and I will be fortunate to leave it brick.

April 13, 2003:

One thing I have been wondering about is how much time elapses between lifetimes for ascending souls. The only thought I have encountered on this subject is from Plato, who said that the soul takes a new body about every ten thousand years. I do not know if this is true, but I am certain that the period between lifetimes is not uniform. One of the first things I want to know when I complete my role is when I will be reunited with you.

Aug 17, 2003:

Student: Why is it that the soul takes only one female body during the course of its nine lives?

Robert: To strengthen and soften the higher emotional center.

Nov 2, 2003:

Should I live to become old, I will not take any pride in my age, but I shall feel grateful for having been given the opportunity to serve my fellow ascending souls.

Nov 2, 2003:

It is such an incredible experience to circulate in life; with immortal vision I observe mortal sleep. In my students, however, I see the Promised Land.

Nov 2, 2003:

Curiously, we are the only people on the Earth attempting to stay out of imagination.

Nov 23, 2003:

I cannot think of anything more important that I will do with my eternal life than helping my students escape. Although I have all eternity before me, the work I am doing now is the most important I will ever do.

Jan 25, 2004:

I find it curious that joggers are uninterested in developing their souls.

February 8, 2004:

I try to avoid Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, and Collin’s interpretations of the Bible. They did not understand it and I do not want to be influenced by them. I am more simple than they are, and I must protect that simplicity.

February 8, 2004:

More than ever, I know that I am going to reach the conscious child within my students, from the conscious child within myself.

June 6, 2004:

Life has a very distorted imaginary picture of conscious beings. In Alex Horn’s group, I was the only student who agreed to take out the refuse and sweep the floors. People do not think of Buddha as doing those kind of things, when, in fact, it is exactly what made him conscious.

June 13, 2004:

We have a new religion: self-remembering and working with the forty-four Gods. It is the highest religion ever given to man.

June 13, 2004:

As your teacher, I can see Influence C’s plans. I can see the part in you that counts.

June 13, 2004:

I do not have to ask my students to love me more. I never knew such love in my life.

June 20, 2004:

On my level, during the teaching events I see students being twice born right before my eyes. It is the most beautiful sight for the Gods.

October 3, 2004:

I do not think that the Sufis had a school. Schools undergo very brutal shocks, and the Sufis have a certain cuteness in their works that suggests they were not in this position.

October 10, 2004:

The Fellowship of Friends is the birth of conscious democracy for man.

February 6, 2005:

The crocodile was intentionally created by higher forces to embody the attributes of the king of clubs. It is a grotesque creature, exactly the opposite of essence and higher centers. (…) All crocodiles are alike, and all think they are different. It is astonishing to cohabit with such a creature.

February 6, 2005:

Zen is attractive to people because it has an instinctive element, and so makes it easier for the instinctive center to manipulate consciousness.

August 7, 2005:

It is incredible to see that Gurdjieff and Ouspensky missed, while we have gotten it right.

Robert Burton's 1980's thoughts on Armageddon, the Fellowship of Friends as an Ark and the end of the world

Humanity as an organism does not have an immunity to a synthetic poison such as the neutron bomb.

Taking influence C for granted is an unpardonable offence.

The school will make elaborate plans to retrieve objects of art for posterity after Armageddon occurs during September, 2006. The gods work openly with us, and this is the theory they have transmitted to me.

This type of suffering may be intended to prepare one for the trial of being huddled together within a fall-out shelter after Armageddon.

Higher forces give us inconceivable shocks to prepare us for the unimaginable experience of surviving Armageddon.

From one angle, Armageddon, the supreme battle at the end of the world, is only being postponed until we are prepared.

The school is larger than the Teacher. What a huge task we have – to think that Armageddon is going to occur. So many wonderful men and women have laboured for humanity.

All the cities of the world are on the same time now: they all have twenty four years left before Armageddon occurs in 2006.

The United Sates is a brilliant nation, but it will never grow old as a nation. It will die a young death, like Mozart.

This year (1983) signifies the beginning of the depression and the chain of events that will eventually lead to Armageddon. First in this chain will be the depression, which will require a war in the Middle East to lift us from it; then will come the fall of California, and finally, 2006. The Last Judgment (Armageddon). I have, to an extent, laid my role as a prophet on the line by predicting these events in the years 1984, 1997, 1998 and 2006.

Armageddon will be the biggest tragedy humanity has ever experienced.

We are a people who shall endure the Last Judgment; imagine it is only twenty-three years away.

Armageddon will occur in a flash, and in a flash our new civilization shall rise.

The most dire events in history are brewing and will take place in the next twenty three years. Humanity will be destroyed by a volley of devastating events.

We are all that is real in the world when we are present, and we shall be the only reality after Armageddon.

The phrase, Last judgment means that humanity has been judged unfit to continue.

Russia and the United States are on a collision course that is not to be averted.

All of the world’s great cities are on the same time now; all will perish one way or another in 2006.

We are people destined to survive the Last Judgment, and so we cannot be naïve.

To identify with the tragedy of life reduces our chances as well as posterity’s.

Student: After Armageddon will Jesus’s life still play a prominent role in our lives?

Teacher: Yes. In posterity, it will be impossible to relegate Christ, humanity’s greatest achievement, to a less prominent role in our lives.

The Fellowship of Friends is a mysterious play whose author is an unknown angel. We understand the script as each day is completed. We are being bred to survive a nuclear holocaust. History affords us no examples of major powers disarming themselves, and so it would be naïve to expect disarmament in our age. We have little time left. An ark is designed to withstand the destruction of humanity and to become life again.

One tries to anticipate influence C’s wishes. In a centre a co-director may try to provide in advance what may be needed for a meeting. So it is within our school: one tries to anticipate the needs of the school. Rodney Collin said that higher forces will stage a demonstration of their power. That is our school, which will survive Armageddon. We are not the first ark formed to protect humanity. But we are the first that had a Beethoven, a Bach, a Michelangelo and a Leonardo to protect. Noah’s ark was more for biological survival.

Students must learn that the school is their school. It is their duty to protect humanity and to build a school and an ark. Someday no one will leave Renaissance as there will be no place to go.

Our school is what it is and it is designed by influence C to form an ark and protect religion and the arts.

It appears as if the essence of the school will be philosophy, that is, literature. Mr. Nicoll said that new scriptures were being written, which is a possibility. It will not be as important as our role of preserving culture. It is probably more profitable to pursue something that affects the essence of the ark. Possibly we would add books to the Old and New Testaments.

We are forming an ark and will rescue art, but before that occurs, we have to develop a citizenry that appreciates art.

The Fellowship is going to surpass all of our expectations. It is interesting that we will keep building even after my task is complete. There will be a long series of conscious beings that follow me: Miles, Girard, and four not yet here. Late within my life I will work with students of twenty who will live to celebrate the one-hundredth and perhaps the one-hundred-tenth anniversary of Renaissance. The United States only recently was two hundred years old, so it is no small achievement that a student of mine will have seen me and the one-hundredth anniversary of Renaissance.

We are located near the town of Rough and Ready. It will be rough, and we will be ready. It shows how incredibly practical influence C is.

We are the phoenix rising from the ashes of humanity.

Our school is the fulfillment of the scriptures and is designed to survive Armageddon.

The Fellowship has a tremendous rendezvous with fate; we are on a collision course.

We are preparing for a non-electrical age. We could perpetuate electricity, but it is not the wish of higher forces to retain that advancement.

A nuclear holocaust will be coming, and a difficult trial will be asked of all of us, yet it is a trial that we will submit to with understanding. In the Bible, Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son and then higher forces spared him; we will be asked to release our life families, for they will not be spared. The main reason is that they are not prepared people, and this would defeat the purpose of the ark.

Non-violence is a characteristic we are trying to breed into our new people.

As Armageddon occurs, events will gradually reveal the scale of our task and my station. The first participants of Christ’s school were given to lions. Our school is the only school to appear on that ladder. One can see the parallel of suffering between our school and Christ’s. Everything will be understood eventually, and not on faith but through verification. When Mr. Ouspensky first met Mr Gurdjieff, he said he wanted some facts, and Mr Gurdjieff said, ‘There will be facts.’

Our ark will be composed of ten thousand people in the year 2006, and then the doors will close.

We are a new people being born: a holy family.

The Fellowship is on a collision course with tragic events, and yet we shall prevail.

Our task is so huge that sometimes one can hardly believe it. Difficult events are coming, and we will be ready.

I expect not to be martyred, but to die a passive death. I will have eight years after the destruction of humanity to assist in rebuilding a civilization. I am immortal, and death does not exist for me.

When my task is complete I will continue to work with our school, and communicate to my students the wishes of higher forces for our new civilization.
Influence C is preparing an ark for Renaissance; if they do not educate us, we cannot conserve for posterity.

We must move rapidly to make Renaissance as European as we can in the time that we have.

Humanity’s end is near. There could be no greater tragedy to bear from life’s viewpoint since it will be expunged. Only we few shall be left. We have self-remembering, and our hearts can bear the great emotional upheavals.

We are people destined to survive the last Judgment, and so we cannot be naïve.

The ark could not be cast into greater denying force than the Last Judgment.

Influence C has established a network of centres around the world for the people of the world to board the ark.

(In reference to the Spring of Moses on Mount Renaissance:)

The spring is bountifully flowing. After 2006, the spring will be necessary, as it is a natural source of water. Moses struck the rock and it gave forth water. Esoterically, that means that he struck the inaccessible emotional centre (the rock) and it gave forth water, the symbol for truth.

Noah was laughed at when he built his ark. No one is laughing these days because man people believe that hydrogen warfare is probable.

We have a great responsibility to posterity. To posterity, we are everything; to present humanity, we are nothing.

Influence C wants something for us, a soul, and they want something from us, an ark. We are being educated in the arts so that we may preserve the best of mankind for mankind. With self-remembering, one can pursue one’s self and one’s art, and do both better.

California is a magical place, especially since influence C is making its stand here. The state which has always represented home will fulfill its promise. There are more Angels hovering around Renaissance than any place on earth.

Student: As a man number six, do you find that you are teaching less?

Teacher: No. I am far from having reached my prime. In addition to working for our School in the present, much of my work is to prepare for civilizations to come.

What is the point of having children if one is going to lose oneself in them? In right order, however, they bring another dimension to one’s life. How wonderful it will be to be able to give the ark to our successors.

Most of the Angels who are assisting us played the role of an artist. Thus, the artistic essence of our outside help has dictated the form of the ark. Virtually all that remains of past civilizations are the conscious beings who evolved within their environment and the timeless works of art that they themselves left or that were produced somehow as a result of their influence. We will try to preserve what is best from all ages. We must learn to measure the scale of the visual arts and literature by the standard achieved by the ancient Greeks.

Some paintings do not deserve a place on the wall. One goes from the Dutch section of the Metropolitan Museum in New York to the section for modern art and one sees how people have spent millions for a building so they can put insanity on the wall. Kenneth Clark asked, ‘What will men of the future think when they look at our art?’ What they will then understand is what men are like when they have lost their minds and are expunged by higher forces. Plato said the affairs of the citizens of Atlantis had reached a pitiable position before they were destroyed.

(In reference to a picture of a man in Poldi Pezzoli Museum, receiving divine inspiration:)

People flatter themselves in thinking they are inspired from above.

[ed. - Of course, Robert Burton is free of all such fantasies.]

Kiran Schmidt and the deaths of Fellowship members in Egypt

Kiran Schmidt at Inergetix presentation. Photo: Flikr

[ed. - On or around this date, three Fellowship of Friends members, Ulrich "Kiran" Schmidt, Marianne "Cassandra" Schmidt, and Daniela Voss were in Egypt, apparently laying the groundwork for a new Fellowship center, when all three were involved in an auto accident. Cassandra and Daniella died, while Kiran was severely injured. It is alleged that while Kiran was "in a coma," Fellowship lawyer Abraham Goldman attempted to have him sign over assets to the Fellowship. The following are Kiran's reflections upon that event and others that followed, eventually leading to his dismissal from the Fellowship. Kiran appears to have embarked upon his own "cult of personality." This post is placed in the timeline approximately when Kiran was recovering from injuries sustained.]

From December 6, 2006 capture of Kiran's Inergetix website:

Message for my dear friends

Almost to the day one year ago Robert had asked us personally in Cairo to drive to Fayum to take some pictures of an Obelisk.

On the way there we were hit by a truck, my wife Cassandra and my best friend Daniela died on the spot, Nora was injured and I was in Coma for two weeks.

Now last week one day after thanksgiving coming out of a breakfast with Robert, Dorian asked me if I wanted to try one of Robert's gray jackets. I declined, stating that I had made the decision to wear only white to commemorate Cassandra.

An hour after that I got a phone call letting me know that Robert had decided to release me indefinitely from the school because "the black queen was behind this."

I decided to put this in writing as otherwise most of you would be under the law of accident of what kind of version, of this story, you would get to hear.

To me the timing and the event make it very clear that the gods don't want to punish me, as obviously my mistake, if I made any, was in no proportion to the response, so I can be more certain that they want a new beginning for me.

On the same day that Robert also suggested to leave Oregon House and possibly move to Brazil a friend of Loreta's parents send me an offer to buy an island in Brazil and my ticket to Sao Paolo for my next travel on the December 12th arrived.

One cannot become Conscious just as one cannot become Love, because both are in fact moment to moment relationships rather than something one can possess.

I realize this now and I realize that in the last 12 month I had not a day of depression, negativity, boredom or identification and this despite a succession of events that followed the loss of my two friends that alone would have been sufficient to make one insane or suicidal.

I take this as a sign of a consistent relationship to the gods that has been given as an act of grace.

I take this as a sign of a consistent relationship to the gods that has been given as an act of grace.

So it has become increasingly apparent to me that the gods were preparing me to give my own expression to what I have been taught, for the last twenty years.

Also this might be the time for the school to bring forth a multitude of such expressions as it may end its own esoteric life.

This separation is "for good" The "unreal' never was and everything "real" never ceases to exist so does the "real" part of our connection

Kiran

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Here is my message to Robert

Dear Robert,

thank you for the guidance you gave to me over 20 years and for being such a pure channel for the gods, no matter how painful for both of us.

Now I am one of the few who does not believe in the many explanations that are in circulation: "That you could not work with my energy anymore." or "That your mechanics could not deal with the refusal of your gift."

Of course we both know that the gods are behind it all. I thank you for having me delivered to this understanding and now letting me go like a loving father.

Kiran

"Kiran" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, March 2, 2007:

Waking-up is not a group experience

Walking in a sugar cane field at night in the Fiji islands some thoughts were coming to me that maybe some of you find useful. (See pictures here: http://www.energy-medicine.info/kiran.html)

As you can imagine I am still in a process of transforming all the things that happened to me in the last 16 month, starting with the death of my dear Cassandra and Daniela, my own time of being two weeks in a coma and then waking up in one of the strangest third world hospitals that had not even hot water,

Being received back in Oregon House by hundreds of Jack and Queen of hearts that did not have a clue how to deal with this shock. Being given a three month medical leave of absence because I informed RB about the sexual escapades of one of his main female supporters. Loosing the connection with my parents and sister because they found that I was following what they called a “sex guru”. Then being cheated by students who I had trusted so much to put them in charge of my business when moving to Egypt and finally being asked to leave the school because I did not want to accept a jacket from RB. [A reference to his declining a gift - a "hand-me-down" - from Robert Burton.]

So some judge without ever having talked to me since then that my actions show that I either have a brain damage, am negative, depressed, aggressive, crazy or simply put in work language “completely in the grips of the King of Clubs”. For some who do not just want to believe their thoughts I can offer to talk to me or see how much the pictures of the recent month on this site, support this believe.

Of course a lot has changed in my psychology, after facing death so intensely and certainly orchestrated by the gods I have lost most or all naivety, I am not afraid anymore of anything, I have no tolerance for feminine dominance and I live my life now with an intensity that is aware in every moment that it can be over very quickly.

What looked profound and with much authority in RB’s actions looks rather shallow from this new perspective and, even more so, that of most of his inner circle. It is apparent now that people like Rowena [Rowena (Renée) Taylor], Kevin [Kevin Brown], Gernot [Gernot Mueller], Eaton [Diana Kay Eaton?], Linda [Linda Kaplan/Tulisso], Mark [Mark Lasken] are increasingly becoming caricatures of “dedicated followers” that get their identity from sitting in the first row and getting some attention from RB.

So one of the questions that is coming to my mind is ‘Why is RB surrounding himself with those kind of people who have a particularly weak Self, so that they need to to enhance it with this greed for their teachers attention?'

I am, as I said many times, not in favor of for example Girard’s [Girard Haven] interpretations that explain everything that I do not like on RB with some of his mechanical weaknesses. I know he is a conscious being what I understand as “being a perfect tool of the gods”. But different than what a Christian and feminine dominance program would make you believe, the role of such a divine tool is not “to be followed without it thinking” but to be an oracle that leads those who want to learn to their own Self.

Now what most student understand by “to learn” and “to follow” is what usually is expected in a kinder garden “learning by heart” and “following by simple repetition”. Of course even in university teachers expect a very different understanding and practice of “learning” and how much more would this differ in an advanced school for spiritual awakening.

But just look at the last event that after every “good student” had dropped their better understanding that things did not start in Egypt but much earlier, if you even wanted to talk of “beginning”. But as soon as they had become good in repeating this new understanding from the divine mouth of their teacher like sheep, he revealed a new and even more profound understanding “that it all did begin in Prehistoric time”.

The gods have their own laws to obey, the tool they are using to teach has always some very definite limitations which are for example described in the "Theory of mechanics”. A Krisnamurti had to act and be limited by his Lunar body type, a Bhagwan Rajneesh had to teach within the limitations of a Jovial. RB has to be understood as a Saturn, Jack of Diamonds with a very limited formal education and coming from a very simple family.

Now again it is not up to me to decide and discriminate, like Girard does, what are divine actions coming form his higher centers and which is just mechanical weaknesses. For me this way of dealing with the contradictions is simply a buffer and based on the usual concept that one knows better. However also the other alternative to “blindly follow and repeat everything’ as practiced by most is leading nowhere.

And the soul inhabiting the role of RB has the same challenge not to “believe his own actions”, particularly now that the gods, after many years of building many very successful decisions into RB’s play, apparently made him make one “mistake” after another. But as RB often said “The gods do not miss and they are not under the law of accident’, so mistakes do not exist for the gods only we can miss the point. And as always the point here is to disentangle ones identity form external events, from believe in success and failure, form ones believe in a teacher or a student.

So the way out is to be courageous and trying to “Be oneself” and this is usually not a result of thinking but of “resisting to be in imagination” about how things really are. And it is exactly this state of contradiction that the gods want to promote when they designed the role of any real teacher.

One of the more profound statements of G. was that : “If things could have been done in another way they would have been done in another way”. Looking for faults, blaming, explaining and comparing is the usual way our of this uncomfortable state of contradiction. However it is exactly the tension of this contradiction that like the tension of electric voltage will eventually make it possible to jump the gap.

For that reason awakening has never been a group emotion, because it is exactly the essential features of being “part of a group” that are making life comfortable and easy. On the contrary many of the tensions that one is exposed to without the protection of a group, one can only endure when one has is awake.

I do not think that ever two people awakened in the same group, O had to leave G, RC had to loose O, RB had to leave AH. Mohamed even had to kill his own brethren and he formed the phrase “The prophet is not valued among his own people.”

So for many of us its time now to leave the nest like the Argonauts or the Apostles and teach not what we learned but what we have become in our own form from our own connection with the gods.

"Kiran" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, March 5, 2007:

Walking in Melbourne this morning I saw a new bestselling book in one of the stores “The delusion of God” which triggered me to respond to “Reality check’s” interpretation (post 123) of my post 31.

As one can already see from your handle, you believe in a “common reality” that anyone can check, if he is interested in doing so.

Now this is an old and common illusion that there exists a common Reality that is accessible to anyone independent of their level of being.

Since the dramatic events 16 month ago my “Reality” has changed and I experience the gods, as you hopefully experience your human friends, as doubtless reality, and I believe for RB it is the same. As a result I attract followers and also a lot of money.

Do I need either of them? NO, because my world has been filled with a certainty and satisfaction that I can only call divine in lack of a better world. Do I think somebody should follow me? Yes, I think I have been given a connection, that has the purpose of bringing guidance to some people who do not follow the most common illusion that they can find THE way on their own.

Now the difference I hope, I am given to make, to the style that RB was teaching, is in that I will always put attention to the fact that people should not follow “like sheep”. I will make clear that “Only because I think it is right, that should not be the only reason that it has to be followed”. Do I think I will be able to avoid that some will do it that way ? No because it is the nature of certain levels of being that this will happen no matter how much a teacher has the skills to make this difficult to happen.

The fourth way and Advaita have the most important principle in common “One cannot do” and the moment you leave either of these ways this is the first thing people forget. Like most here on this site and they return to the illusion that they can “take their own life into their own hands”. Of course the basic contradiction is that “One cannot do but something one has to do at any moment in time”. There is no way out of this contradiction but to raise above the illusion “That one is doing”. Once this attitude has become deeply enough implanted in a persons being, which takes many incarnations, one is ready that the gods take you by their hands and lead you to another level of existence. If this would happen before this point, these beings would be a danger to the ray of creation because now they had real powers without the necessary humility not to misuse them.

Mr. “Reality Check” is a good representative of the common American illusion : “We are all born equal” and “You can do it yourself” and of course, he will have many followers. Would be nice if you had at least the courage to reveal your real name Mr Reality Check so we can check who you really are.

For those who are not so much interested in words you might enjoy pictures from my last few weeks of travels: http://www.flickr.com/photos/Iloveyou2/show (Link defunct)

To the Sheik: “I am not promoting nor selling spiritual products on my website nor do I think I can find many buyers by promoting on your blog for a healing system that costs over 10 thousand Dollars a piece, so don’t worry, but I hope you are so open to also post this message even so it is quite contrary to the general tone of this site. But believe me I had to pay for this understanding with more suffering than most of you can even imagine”.

"Kiran" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, March 27, 2007:

Hello Girard

(message also send to his personal e-mail if he really does not have the time to read the blog as he states)

It seems you try to be considerate with the confused sheep around you. I would have been grateful if someone had come up to me offering to talk about my confusion when I came back from Egypt two weeks in coma and the death of my dear Cassandra and Daniela. But nobody had the being to ask how it is to face death and RB even gave me a medical leave of absence shortly after this as my presence was to threatening for his feeble presence or that of those around him.

What you say sounds all very reasonable, it sounds similar to what my father told me when I was 18 preparing to leave the house for good. I then had plans that did not go well with his visions so he told me “There are better ways to spend your time and energy” or “I have told you for good reason not to associate with these people”.

But I am sure you will think this analogy is not very appropriate because my fathers advice came from mechanicality and sleep. So of course you are giving these advice from consciousness and with the aim to awake …. So lets look what you might consider more worthy of our time and energy if we have the aim to wake up:

1.To save time, maybe to have some time to write another book on how to wake up
2.To save time to go to another potage brunch and talk about how to wake up with people who listen since years to the same teacher
3.To save time to repeat the sequence without interruption
4.To save time to make some money to go to the next teaching event
5.Tell me if I overlooked one….

I was believing in these proper uses of time in my work towards awakening, as you, for the twenty years prior to this great intervention of the gods in my life. Mainly also because the school or the teacher did not give one definition on what it actually means to be awake but plenty of exercises to get there which now most have become obsolete.

None of the things that you implied in your message is for me or most a desirable aspect of being awake, but as usual you are not defining the aim what it means to be awake and only with this information one could judge if anything you say makes sense.

The events in the last two years have for the first time established a permanent understanding of what it means to be awake, which I can also describe in detail and live on a moment to moment basis. The gods have given me the following expression for this “To be lighthearted in a dynamic labile equilibrium state”.

If anyone or you want to know what “Dynamic labile equilibrium” DLE implies you are welcome to ask anyone at my office to give my CD on the DLE (free of charge!). But in short it is an extension of the concept of “being in the present” which does not allow people who want to follow this principle to get more and more established with house, money, family and opinions and still think and prove that all this goes well together with “being present”.

Ideas, as well as Robert and the school have pointed us in the right direction, have some also moved in this direction and have given others a new set of ideas to sleep on and to feel secure and superior. However for some this was all only a preparation, a protected nest in which one could study certain ideas without having them challenged by the more general forces of life.

After reading your post Loreta commented that it is written in the general tone of the negative half of the King of Heart “Yes its alright, but there is something better” which has become so much the general voice of the FOF based on imitation.

A general remark from me would be that your specific concern about “saving time”, for which you want even to go on record, indicates that you are still on you way to a permanent state “outside of time”.

Some of the people who are posting and reading the blog, are still “In search of the miraculous” and they do not feel that they have found it, just by joining the FOF. And I know those who do not take a definite position of “for or against” of “good or bad” and “right or wrong” are living the DLE and have a chance that eventually the gods take them by their hands and make them experience the DLE in a light-hearted and permanent mode as they have done with me.

And then you can say with Walt Whitman “There will never be anymore heaven or hell than there is now, but if I have to sit for one more hour or ten thousand I sit content.”

I would like to convey how shallow your advice sounds, after you had some solid experience of death but this is not possible, but I would suggest to start asking the important questions before it is too late, rather than advising others on how to read a blog.

Written in an airplane waiting for Take-off”: in South Africa from the land of Apartheid on-route to Brazil, paradise on earth

Kiran

PS: if you want to see some pictures on our recent travels go here: http://www.energy-medicine.info/kiran.html

"Kiran" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 6, 2007:

Living the Contradiction

Recently a friend, who is still in the FOF, wrote to me that “I am not interested in the Blog, its just all Is” and I responded to her: “I would have great respect for this level of Separation if it would cover all areas of your live”, which means if she would look with the same level of Detachment at Is that are created when someone scratches her car for example. But certainly this is not the case so I told her “You, as many in the FOF are simply not affected by what is said on the Blog because you either buffer it or more likely simply value the FOF less than your car.

And the same I would say to those who write these nice posts, I have a high respect for you if you approach every aspect in your life with the same circumspection. Even my parents would agree with most, that is stated here and by the way I had no bad relationship with them until they were meeting so many students in the Hospital in Cairo and then investigated the school and after that decided that they did not want to have contact with me anymore, because they found out “That I am following a Sex Guru” as they perceived it.

What these two last years were teaching, only facing Contradiction can change your level of being and to the degree that you do not resent this contradiction you transform it into something completely new and wonderful. This new understanding I formulated in my central idea that it is the “Dynamic Labile Equilibrium” between contradictions that we have to live to be healthy and evolving.

Of course we all, deep down, were realizing this, however unconsciously, that is why we endured all the Contradictions in the fellowship for so many years and to the degree that we could face them without resenting them we gained what we are now.

This way you can understand many thing for example if it is still valuable to be in the FOF now and I can say YES, if you have not built up an elaborate veil of buffers not to see and feel painfully the many contradictions that the gods have built into it…. But how many still have this degree of innocence and did not use time to adjust, justify and feel comfortable after so many years. And importantly pain and suffering does not automatically lead to transformation and change of being, you have to have the right reasons why you want to endure them, so take a look at your third force.

Also there were many comments on Clara’s beautiful and courageous posts for example “Why she did not show this side of her for so many years in the school?” Simply because she, as all of us were trying to play the game, which was only be created to make this incredible number of contradictions possible. Mainly by us trying to be someone that was not our essence, and that is why plays are created in the first place. Now she feels uncomfortable for other reasons and bravely facing the contradiction she evolves to the degree she does not resent it or anyone. Clara please contact me at Kiran@inergetix.com, as Loreta wants to talk to you.

That is also why most people need a teacher because nobody has the will to put himself under so many contradictions, particularly in older age, except he is so fortunate to get the direct attention from the gods that plaster his path with stumbling blocks.

“The stone that the builders refused, I am making the cornerstone”

From Sao Paula leaving for Mexico in the afternoon

Written on the day of Jesus crucifixion, a play more than anyone that shows the value of Contradiction

Kiss

Kiran

Here are some more pictures from our recent days:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/iloveyou2/sets/72157600051416126/show/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/iloveyou2/sets/72157600051093241/show

"Comrade" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 12, 2007:

To Post 114 (Anonymous),

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say when you criticize Lust for Life with the following comments: “You obviously were not an FOF student. Kiran was one of the most well known, charasmatic and popular students in the school and it doubtful that anyone in the school would not know him unless they never participated in anything and lived under a rock. Stop pretending.”

Are you saying Lust for Life’s status as student or non-student or “active” student somehow makes his/her comments more or less valid? Are you saying that Kiran’s status as “charismatic and popular” within the FOF somehow makes his statements more valid?

It’s not uncommon for people to make such evaluations when someone stands up at a Fellowship meeting, or city council meeting, or at a company meeting, or wherever. When “angles” were still being given at meetings in the FOF, you’d often see people crane their necks when they heard a new voice. Nothing wrong with that, but it’s usually all about identifying the status of the speaker, and then filtering one’s opinion about the “angle” through that supposed status. “Oh, that’s just Joe Blow from the Winery Construction crew,” or “I’ve never heard of this person. Never mind.”

Personally, I find many of Kiran’s comments interesting. When I heard about the accident, I knew him well enough that I sensed something would change in him profoundly, and I felt relatively sure the Fellowship couldn’t hold him much longer. I probably won’t be following his ideas any time soon, but I am impressed with his creativity and passion.

At the same time, I can understand why Lust for Life and others would criticize Kiran after some of his comments in this blog. Like all of us, Kiran is learning and growing through everything he’s experiencing, and sometimes maybe the wrong words come out (and believe me, I am not professing to be anywhere above that).

So in the meantime, one of the reasons this blog “works” is that it’s more about the ideas and less about the status of the person conveying the ideas. That’s one of the beauties of it.

"Kiran" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 10, 2007:

Living the contradiction 2 — The nightmare for the FOF King of Hearts

The summary of all the experiences in the last 18 month I can put very simply:

“One evolves to the degree one allows contradictions to exist in ones live, without resenting it.”

and

“If one is not experiencing contradictions anymore one is dead”.

Of course seeing live and its value from this point of view one can see that most people do everything to get rid of contradictions in their live and most are close to killing themselves this way.

In older age people know exactly what to allow into their mind in order not to experience any contradiction, they know with whom to be friends, where to go and what to eat in order not to need to face any contradiction. If it were not for some things that they do not like, but that are biological necessities, like going to the bathroom or paying bills their lives would be complete harmony and they were dead.

This to me is the essence of what it means “to sleep” or on the opposite to “be awake” if one does nothing any longer to avoid “contradictions” as live provides them plentifully, if one is not constantly on the run or closing one’s eyes, but instead lives them without resentment.

Of course living live this way it does not get easier, but more confusing and often quite strenuous. That is why it is amazing to me that there are so many seekers, because taken awakening this way its quite a tough job at times. But usually it is the innocence of people only at the beginning of their search and then again the enormous pull to get contradictions out of ones live gets the upper hand and the way is gradually deviated, as even Gurdjieff showed graphically it is eventually turned into the opposite direction.

We can see that this happened in monastic live at some point when seekers could not face anymore ordinary live while following their faith. This was simply too big a contradiction so they went into the solitude, the dessert, the mountain the cave the monastery.

Religion people, also suffer from the contradictions that seeing other religions creates in them so they either close their eyes, have some mental tapes, like “There are different ways for different people” or even worse “Others are enemies of the true way”.

Seen from this point of view the FOF is not different when Girard basically recommends not to waste one’s time on things like reading the Blog, without even telling us what’s the proper way of using time according to him. The understanding that is missing here, is that facing contradictions, and not getting them out of the way by following one or the other side but silently enduring the pain that they create, is THE way to evolve.

Two month after the accident and 6 weeks after coming out of the coma I was invited by Girard and then Clara for a dinner at their house which was the New Years dinner 2005/2007 [2005/2006?]. This was one of the most unmemorable dinners in my life. It would have been natural for anyone to ask a question in relation to the event in Egypt. For example it would have been easy to give some depth to the conversation by maybe asking “How the experience of death has changed my view of the work” or something related. However there was no mentioning of it and instead we talked I think about dogs (Clare please remind me if I forgot something that had more weight).

In the FOF we have learned over the years a behavior, like in any other sector of life, that would cut out the possibility to experience contradictions and Girard’s advice in respect to the Blog only follow this principle. For most of us, the main thing that attracted us to the fourth way was “That the 4th way occurs in ordinary life”, but Girard and the other ordinary forces in the FOF try to get the contradictions out of the picture and limit it to “The money for the 4th way is made in ordinary life”. Of course another contradiction, at least for those who could look a little deeper, was the fact that Girard was even declared a man no 5.

The same principle of Contradiction-avoidance is the basic and common reason behind so many other things we do although usually we are very clever in finding reasons to justify it. For example if people would use their real names when posting their messages they would usually feel a lot of contradictions and not only from people who know them but also internally. There is the person who is writing who has all this Grief, Anger, Good advice, Compassion and what not, but by using a fictitious name he has found a way to keep those things out of one’s life. The many Is and the compartments that make it impossible to see each other!

These mechanisms in our thinking and acting that get contradictions out of the way are usually praised and valued by all of life that is determined to sleep. In the FOF most of these tactics were ascribed to the King of Hearts and so be sanctified and protected from any questioning. By coincidence, which has become the guiding light on my way, on the desktop of the public computer I am writing this right now, there is a picture of a “King of Heart’s” torn apart by a bullet.

I experience that actually being present comes from a different level, than all this reasoning, but it is this reasoning that makes you understand the purpose of contradiction, not to avoid it and by that to be catapulted into the eternal NOW.

Speaking with Walt Whitman’s words “Older, without my wife, my family and many friends, I thank thee.”

Kisses from Mexico

Kiran

Broken King of Hearts

http://www.flickr.com/photos/iloveyou2/sets/72157600053451538/show/

"the Esoteric Sheik of Inner Confusion" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 15, 2007:

Kiran (217): About 3 weeks ago I accused you of advertising your silly spiritual school, here on the blog. I accused you of trying to attract more followers (probably to fund your frequent trips abroad) by leaving links to your website. And… you are at it again. I hope that the ideas and writings you have left here earlier will be enough to make anyone stay as far away from you as possible – am I wrong to believe that you are slowly becoming just another Robert Burton? – a charismatic man with a golden tongue and a greedy disposition. Money money money…

I don’t think that it’s necessarily wrong to leave links to informative sources (there have been many here before), but you simply seem to be marketing your new school. Some of the non-dualists on the blog are similarly guilty, yet I sense a different reason for their actions (I may be wrong).

Kiran, I hope you know what you are doing. There are many gurus in this world, and even more sheep.

"Moon Angel" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 15, 2007:

The experience/accident in Egypt he described was considered by FOF to be one the greatest shocks the school ever endured and it created ripple effects throughout the entire FOF community.

"Kiran" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 15, 2007:

Living the contradiction 3 — not just enduring it

Living the contradiction is a science and of course there are many ways to miss, otherwise most husbands and wives would be conscious, as marriage is full of contradictions.

There is really no way to get a right relationship to contradictions with your mind alone, because as Albert Einstein formulated: “Problems cannot be solved with the same tool that created them.” And of course it is our emotions, senses and mind that creates contradictions. So to solve contradictions one has to rise to a different level, all else will just be preparation.

It was kind of funny when recently a friend wrote to me that he is seeing most of the contradictions that are discussed on the blog, but he decided to stay in the FOF because he is seeing the value of contradictions and is ready to work with them. It seems I am giving students the material for justifying their stay.

However just as in a marriage “just enduring contradictions” is not enough. External contradictions do nothing until we let them in and have them fight this internal battle. A battle where we do know like Arjuna that they are all our family and we have not to be afraid to kill our own brothers.

To give you an example,… to me the contradictions in the FOF were not invisible for the twenty years prior to the accident. Of course, like many, I saw for example how the students of the inner circle were corrupting things, based on self-interest, fear, lack of understanding and what not. However I had enough immunity to keep those things on the outside and I was even proud of this as I considered it a form of non-identification.

The accident and all that followed ripped me wide open and certainly destroyed this illusion for my benefit. For example I knew that Abraham Goldman, as most lawyers would not hesitate to bend whatever laws in his favor rather than follow some eternal principles.

Still from this place internal strength I called him a friend and even lend him a substantial amount of money. By the way, certainly RB is aware that he is not such a “top notch” lawyer as some sheep are made to believe, but he is knowing the value of contradictions and therefore made him the legal advisor of the FOF.

Anyway his services like his posts on this blog or when RB sends him to get one of his boys from another country, he can deduct from his teaching payment. When I was in Coma in the hospital in Cairo he did not hesitate to follow the suggestion to come to my bed with a contract that would write over my company to the FOF in case I were to die.

However despite I was aware of all that, they could not make me hold a pen for the signature and when I asked him month later why he did this, he answered with his true naivety “That it was only to protect me”.

Now the amazing thing to me was that the events had made me so vulnerable that all this did not bounce of as from my previous mental armory, but penetrated deeply. But also something new and magical had entered my being that did not allow anymore to take the easy way out, in form of anger, judgment, blame, easy justification. This something let me allow to have the love for the FOF and the awareness of these horrible sides coexist side by side.

This as many other events that preceded and followed allowed me to realize that it is Contradictions that are such a “blessing in disguise”, if they fall on a ground that is ready. And although it seemed I was doing the same before the events in Egypt in fact I was then not prepared to let Contradictions enter to the degree. that they truly unleash the battle inside of me.

I know the same is true for many of those who are still in the FOF and for most the longer they are in it, if they do not have drastic events occur in their lives, the more they will create mechanisms to keep the contradictions that are all around them in the external, with justification, sadness, anger.

“Now like a singing air creature, I feel the Rose, pure contradiction, Keep opening” Hafiz

If you want to escape contradiction for a while meet me here: http://flickr.com/photos/iloveyou2/sets/72157600077299794/show/
http://haramararetreat.com/gallery.cfm [dead link]
If you want to move closer to the source of all the discussed contradictions: http://www.energy-medicine.info/core/kiransresidence.html

"Kiran" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 26, 2007:

I like the story (post#194) of the first student of RB, Bonita and to hear that he put her out after she wrote him that he was surrounding himself with “YES-Sayers”. This showed me that he has learned nothing in this respect in the last 35 years in that he still put me out after 20 years for saying NO to him for the first time.

I knew that you were out “If you did not put down your pants” for him, but I did not expect that you were also out if you did not put on one of his strait-jackets.

But even this weakness, I know, was built into his role that for some this would be the sign eventually to move on, as the Negativity of Alex Horn was the sign for RB to leave.

Anyway just as negativity builds your own prison so also this weakness put him in a strait-jacket as it must feel to be surrounded by his inner circle of YES –Sayers like Kevin Brown, Asaf Braverman, Yoad Rowner,Wayne Mott and Linda Tulisso.

But he has his steps to transform as all of us

Kiran

You can e-mail me at Kiran@beingpresent.net

"Kiran" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 28, 2007:

Living the Contradiction 5 — between “you cannot do” and “you can do”

The above contradiction is at the basis of the 4th way system and most people have long found a way around it by making an exclusive choice of one or the other. In this Blog also most have completely lost even the possibility to consider the possibility that “they cannot do” that “everything happens”.

Of course the reason for that is that we have been programmed in a western culture, in India or China the other side would certainly be chosen exclusively…. to avoid the contradiction.

I certainly was a “doing machine” before the events in Egypt, but I had to be given a very definite lesson to learn to incorporate the other pole. First for several weeks in Coma I was given the most profound lessen of “you cannot do” because I was aware of all that was going on around my bed, for example the two doctors who walked up and down saying “He probably won’t make it”.

Or when I came out of the Coma and had to so deeply accept the fact that “I cannot do” anything to bring Cassandra back.

But it did not stop there, when I came to ISIS I “could not do” anything to avoid being the focus of so many girls who really were driven to care for this helpless, cute newborn baby that was me. Even Rowena Taylor [Renée Taylor] with whom I had hardly ever talked up to that point, invited me to her home and wanted to convince me that betraying her husband was nothing unusual, as she was doing this since 20 years.

I was really very weak at that time, “just watching and wandering” what would come next and it even became more strange. Shortly after I had refused Rowena’s offers, fate made it happen that Asaf [Asaf Braverman] with his lack of conscience, asked Rowena to investigate my sex-life as apparently she had been the fellowship liaison for sex-issues before and had been in charge to check if boys RB wanted to be with were AIDS free.

So dutifully and certainly without seeing any contradiction she called every girl I had been seen with and interviewed them about their relationship to me. If I had not been so weak at that point I would have gone over to her house and spit in her innocent face. But instead I wrote my first letter to RB narrating the story. A few days later Wayne Mott dutifully called me to tell me that RB had decided to give me a “Medical leave of Absence” as my letter to him was “TOO VULGAR”.

Rowena ! it does not take an Oracle for me to know what kind of Expert you are, you are a wolf in sheep’s clothing and one of the worst results of FOF education, a smiling face that has no scruple to turn around and hurt anyone if you perceive it is to your advantage.

In this respect the status quo was has always been continued by sheep…… what makes it more difficult to see, is because there are different sheep. There is always only a very small percentage of “aggressive sheep” like HC, ”Becareful” or the FOF students behind this, then the larger percentage of “real sheep” the Yes-Sayers and followers of orders, and the “Intellectual sheep” like “Just Observing” that in fact are “Just Judging” and “Just doing mental masturbation” but believe they are so clever and objective. And then there is the largest group of “silent sheep”, which for the most diverse reasons just follow and are silent. For them maybe the word from Rodney Collin might still have some awakening power: “The subtlety of the excuse will not be taken in consideration”.

Certainly if you keep hanging on to this rotten club, you are dumping all your high aspirations with which you started this work.

All these event are a crossroad and these are the moments where “you can do” until soon the gates are closing again and you are back for a long time “where everything just happens” and “you cannot do”.

“Unless the weeds are removed neither plants nor flowers can grow”

Here are some pictures from my flowers last week

http://www.flickr.com/photos/iloveyou2/sets/72157600135447901/show/

Kiran@beingpresent.net

"Loreta" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, April 30, 2007:

If this Harriet Baker (post #8/54), is so irritated about a natural orgasmic relationship based on full pleasure between couple(s). Than maybe she is just reinforcing and buffering the “innocent” orgies, between the Frogs. Please compare in this respect my other post # 211,blog 7 about FOrF “Freud or FROG”.

Anyway I have been together with Kiran for one year now and it has simply been the greatest year of my live. And the many “Higher States” were not only due to all the beautiful sex we had , but because of our new way of approaching all the challenges we are been given and the amazing transformation that occurs daily in his presence.

When I saw all the girls surrounding him after his return from Egypt, I did not yet have a connection with him, and the image that came to my mind was one of voluptuous vultures on an open wound , believing they were acting from the “9 of hearts”. As I perceived, they were more driven by their “G-spot”, I suggested him to invite them all for a group sex party in the style of the FOrF ‘s inner circle, this would have been the test for them all. But it was him who cautioned and said to me “They are not ready”.

For me the “Bakers woman” #54 is a good example of particularly American programming of “disgust towards sex” which is the FOrF basis, expressed in the fact of denial and the contradiction that America has more abused children and internet porn sites, than any other country in the world, beside being one of the leaders on Aids. For me as a Brazilian this is really totally foreign, as we are growing up with a much more natural relationship towards pleasure and sensuality.

The Christian-Jewish program, considers any sex that is not aimed at procreation as “Slimey”. By the way Hindu religion worships the erect phallus! Interestingly she writes “Slimy” as “Slimey” which contains “ME”, Freud would love this.

Maybe there is still too few Prices out there, that most ladies are fighting to become princes themselves and greedily are swallowing the frog …ops …too late

Those of you who are ready to see their relationship to sex just as any other “programming”, as a limitation and obstacle to awakening, I can recommend to do a course with http://www.ecstaticliving.com just as we did a month ago in Mexico and I can tell you this kind of learning is a lot more fun and many Higher states, even without penetration or the kind of mental masturbation which is so common on this Blog “for intellectuals”.

Kiss

loreta@beingpresent.net

below you can see a slide show how Kiran and me worship “the lingam” at a Hindu temple in the Fidji Islands:

http://flickr.com/photos/iloveyou2/sets/72157600160887676/show/

"Kiran" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, May 1, 2007:

May 1, 2007 at 3:23 am It looks the Blog has attracted in Mrs. Baker another “becareful” to demonstrate to those who have ears to hear what some have come down to by being years in the FOF, the gods are organizing a parade of the fools.

This post by Harriet Baker # 54 really has the sophistication of style and the acidity that if seems to be inspired by being a long time FOF student. I do not know any Harriet, nor is she in the FOF directory but probably, its just another veil to keep her innocence. Just like her former name “MsAmerica” which really tells a lot about what she wants to be and her greatest identifications.

The only people in the FOF, I can remember to having asked previously, about group-sex together was coincidently Robert and Rowena T. [Rowena (Renée) Taylor], Marla M. and Frederic Ch., Traci S. and Huib S.,…. So this post must be by either Marla, Traci or Rowena. The only FOF students we ever had sex with in the FOF, were our friend E. and Benjamin Y. [Benjamin Yudin] who contacted me because he found us on an internet swinger site.

Dear Harriet / Former MsAmerica if you want to prove me wrong, just let us know your “real” name. Hope you were at least invited by Dorian [Dorian Matei] and Mihail [Mihai Algiu] to one of their group orgies in RB bedroom… but certainly as a former Miss America this was easy.

Coincidently it was otherwise only Rowena and Robert T., at a dinner together with Cassandra that I proposed something like that. I did it, because even then I knew how fake Rowena was and I actually only wanted to give her a moment to ponder about her attitude. As good students they both took it without even a sign of surprise but politely declined.

Only month later Robert asked me, for a private talk and told me how disgusting this proposal had been for him and that he was worried I would be proposing similar things to new or young students. Now his own wife tried to betray him with me…. do you need any more prove that this is a divine comedy orchestrated by the gods to wake some of us up and put others to sleep.

Kiss

Kiran@beingpresent.net

Here is a video from us celebrating the phallus in an Indian temple in Fiji two month ago

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=466125&fr=yvmtf

"RSVP to Kiran" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, May 10, 2007:

To Kiran, REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION.

I noticed that when you posted the story of you being in coma in the hospital in Cairo, on page 6, #217 [above], in this blog, you wrote that Abraham Goldman came to your bed with a contract that would write over your company to the Fellowship in case you were to die.

You seem to say this was at the suggestion of Robert Burton or the Fellowship.

You also said you realized all of this at the time but that you could not hold a pen, but this shock penetrated deeply.

I HAVE CHECKED WITH ABRAHAM DIRECTLY AND HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT YOU ARE INCORRECT AND THAT WHAT YOU STATE IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE. MOREOVER, THAT THERE WERE MANY WITNESSES IN THE HOSPITAL ROOM AT ALL TIMES ABRAHAM WAS THERE INCLUDING YOUR FATHER, MOTHER AND SISTER.

YOU NEVER RESPONDED MANY SUBSEQUENT POSTS THAT WERE QUESTIONING YOU FOR MORE DETAIL…

Rabbi Burns (6-233) asked you point blank “Kiran is this really true?” Rabbi states he was shocked and horrified.

Cathie (6-234) called it a “chilling deathbed bequest story, showing how coldly Robert uses people..”

Then Another Name (6-262) asked again, “Are you sure Abraham Goldman tried to get a signature from you? If you are in a coma everybody knows you can not write.” and later, “Is it true? How can you absolutely know that it is true? (When you are in coma?)”

(6-269) You-me-us-they also asks for clarification, seeking to find out what was meant by some of the statements made by you describing the incident. “Hoping you don’t mind coming back to that for clarity.”

There is no doubt that the story shocked a number of readers of this active blog.

For example Lust for Life (6-327) described it as a “betrayal” that “left a very nasty taste in my mouth” and “was one of the factors that helped me to see that RB has no conscience.”

You were even advised (by Anonymous 6-359) to consider to report this conduct to the California State Bar, as it was understood as [Abraham Goldman] “lying to you” and that he “tried to exert undue influence on you” Anonymous states that “Sounds unethical to me.”

KIRAN, YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN FIT TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT WERE VERY UNDERSTANDABLY FOLLOWING UP ON THE STORY YOU DESCRIBED AND REQUESTING MORE DETAILS.

THE STORY YOU DESCRIBED CLEARLY ACCUSES ABRAHAM GOLDMAN AND ROBERT OR THE FELLOWSHIP OF IMPROPER IF NOT UNETHICAL OR FRAUDULENT CONDUCT.

IT PUZZLES ME WHY YOU, ONE OF THE MORE FREQUENT POSTERS ON THIS BLOG, HAVE SIMPLY NOT RESPONDED.
I AM TRYING AGAIN.

PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED AT THE HOSPITAL, HOW YOU KNEW WHAT THE DOCUMENT SAID, WHO WAS THE “THEY” THAT TRIED TO MAKE YOU SIGN OVER YOUR COMPANY AND HOW YOU KNOW THAT THIS WAS AT THE REQUEST OF ROBERT OR THE FELLOWSHIP.

IN THE INTEREST OF FAIRNESS TO ALL INVOLVED, A TRUTHFUL RESPONSE WOULD BE APPRECIATED. IF YOU DO NOT RESPOND, WE WILL JUST HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THERE IS NO TRUTH TO YOUR STORY AS TOLD AND THAT YOU SIMPLY INTENDED TO DEFAME AND GAIN ADDITIONAL SYMPATHY FROM THE TRAGIC AFTERMATH OF THE ACCIDENT YOU, YOUR WIFE AND DANIELLA WERE INVOLVED IN. [ed. - Why would we have to assume this?]

THANK YOU!

RSVP

"Cathie" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, May 12, 2007:

May 12, 2007 at 4:50 am I have no way of knowing if Kiran’s story about being approached on his “deathbed” by Abraham Goldman is true. When I read it, it didn’t seem that far-fetched, based on other stories that have been told about Robert’s contacts–often through an intermediary–with some dying students over the years, at least one of which (the Sharole Mannering cameo reclamation) is well documented.

I don’t know Kiran personally, but I did know Robert Burton and Abraham Goldman. I wasn’t surprised by Kiran’s story, as it didn’t seem uncharacteristic of either Robert or Abraham.

RSVP’s screaming post raises some interesting questions. It admits that Goldman did visit Kiran in the hospital in Cairo, since it asserts that “at all times” during the visit, Kiran’s family members were there.

Why did Goldman visit Kiran in the hospital? It seems reasonable to suppose that he was there in some official Fellowship capacity. Perhaps he was concerned about the possible liability of the Fellowship for the injuries sustained by Kiran and the deaths of his wife and friend. If I recall correctly, Kiran and the two women were traveling at Robert’s request, to investigate opening a center in Egypt.

This is quite speculative on my part, but what if Goldman was there to obtain a release of liability from Kiran, or failing that, to obtain a beneficial interest for the Fellowship in Kiran’s estate, should he die as a result of his injuries? It seems entirely plausible to me. [ed. - There are reports of other occasions when the Fellowship attempted to gain control of the estates of members who have passed.]

Then again, this is a situation loaded with “plausible deniability” on the part of Goldman and the FOF. It really comes down to Kiran’s word vs. Goldman’s. Tough call. Kiran was nearly comatose, undoubtedly heavily drugged. Who knows what happened, or what he thought happened? On the other hand, Goldman is a lawyer. Enough said.

As was the case with lawsuits filed against it in the past, the Fellowship’s defensive strategy is based on unequivocal denial, coupled with intimidation. We are seeing more of the same here.

"Vinnie the Fish" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, June 4, 2007:

Funny I saw this from Kiran:

“Also there were many comments on Clara’s beautiful and courageous posts for example “Why she did not show this side of her for so many years in the school?” Simply because she, as all of us were trying to play the game, which was only be created to make this incredible number of contradictions possible.”

Funny, when Kiran was called Ulrich he visited my centre in the early 90s and pointed out that people changed when they sat down for the meeting. He said there is no need to act any different. It stuck with me, so I for one have never “played the game”, but instead try hard to “be myself”.

Maybe that’s the ‘brainwashing’ people undergo, a semi-voluntary imitation of others’ posture, facial expression, words and phrases (‘in a way’, ‘for myself’, ‘a certain…’, ‘incredible’, ‘a taste of..’), and then probably extends into the emotional and intellectual centres too. I often hear students with a ‘standard’ voice, for men the softly stoned Colin Lambert drawl, and for women a crisper and more business-like tone.

Kiran I hear you didn’t pay Huib and Tracy [Fellowship members] who set up your very successful business and website, not good karma for a hopeful New Age guru! Does your Inergator product zap your conscience or did the Fof do that, or the coma? Or is that just ‘bearing contradictions’?

"Panorea" wrote on the Fellowship of Friends Discussion blog, August 12, 2011:

I still remember that horrible meeting in Egypt after the fatal car accident. He [Robert Burton] exploited the deaths of the two ladies. Meeting after meeting, nonsense after nonsense, spreading fear and doom scenarios. His techniques work.

Automobile accident in Egypt claims two Fellowship members

"...photograph taken at the Galleria of Daniela, Kiran and Cassandra."

[ed. - The following series of e-mails was sent on behalf of Robert Burton to the Fellowship of Friends membership.]

From: On Behalf Of Linda Tulisso
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:19 AM
To: students@beingpresent.org
Subject: [Students] Tasks Complete

Dear Fellow Students,

The Fellowship received a powerful shock today. There was an automobile accident in Cairo today, November 8. Cassandra Schmidt and Daniela Voss both completed their tasks [Fellowship euphemism for death]. Kiran Schmidt was hospitalized and at present has a 50% chance of survival. Nora Gutierrez was also in the car. She sustained injuries but survived.

In speaking with Robert, he sends all students his love. He said that this is the payment for receiving Influence C. Cassandra and Daniela were very prepared; Influence C just called them. He also said we are not going through what other schools did not go through before us. On the eve of the Re-Turn to Egypt, Robert mentioned that this shock turns a seemingly joyful event into quite a sober one. It makes us more serious about what we are receiving from Influence C.

Cassandra Schmidt had just celebrated her 18th anniversary in the School. She was 52 years old. Daniela Voss was an active member for 22 months. She was 34 years old.

On behalf of all those who knew you, loved you, and valued your efforts, we thank thee.

In presence,

Linda Tulisso, Isis

From the Koran: Do you think you shall enter Paradise without such trials as came to those who passed before you?

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From: On Behalf Of Linda Tulisso
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:29 PM
To: students@beingpresent.org
Subject: [Students] Message from the Teacher: Regarding today's shock


Dear friends,

Robert sends this message to us all regarding today's shock of the deaths of Cassandra and Daniela.

Cassandra and Daniela were well prepared and called upon by Influence C to complete their tasks. We have no choice but to transform this shock; presence and transformation of suffering are our only options--and we are lucky to have any options at all. 'Kneel' is obviously the work 'I' for this situation. The king of hearts will tend to collapse, but one must not give way; if one does, one collapses onto the queens. It is timed so as to gather the school in Cairo and make everyone more serious. As I have said several times before, this is evolution as we experience it. This is our payment; we are not being asked a price other schools did not already pay. This is the price of receiving this gift, this system, divine presence and eternal life. Nothing wrong has occurred; it is the case of a school that is being persecuted by higher school. We should all keep our heads up, and be present.

In presence,

Linda Tulisso, Isis

From The Teaching of a Man for his Son: The anxious man finds peace at his pyramid.

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From: On Behalf Of Linda Tulisso
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:13 AM
To: students@beingpresent.org
Subject: [Students] Message from the Teacher: On Yesterday's Shock


Dear Friends,

Robert is now in Cairo in preparation for the first event of the Re-Turn to Egypt Journey. He sends us these thoughts, with his love, regarding yesterday's shock from C Influence. At the bottom [ed. - posted above] of the message is also a photograph taken at the Galleria of Daniela, Kiran and Cassandra.

A student dying of cancer once told me on her deathbed that she was in a great deal of pain. I replied that I was sorry for the pain; it is the nature of evolution. The whole school is feeling this right now. However, the real pain lies in not accepting this shock. We must be willing to transform this shock; we have every reason to resent it except one--that there is no reality in resenting it. The states can only be real when the payment is real.

We have to pay individually and collectively. Schools are always persecuted for receiving this gift. This is the answer to why we have been given this shock, and we are not looking for any other answer.

This shock shows that any moment is as good as any other, because it reveals self-remembering is all we have. After Journey Forth By Day ended, I said, 'The main thing is to get to the present as often as one can, and stay there for as long as one can.' Now I add, 'while one can--while one has the time.'

This shock shows that we cannot be kind enough to one another; it makes us want to externally consider each other as much as we can.

I have no doubt about Cassandra and Daniela's long-term good fortune. They certainly did the right thing with their lives. Death is so utterly final that it is difficult to accept emotionally, but with time one learns to accept it. We will all get to Paradise, but on Influence C's terms, as all who went before us did. We would never put the necessary pressure on ourselves. When we are reunited one by one in Paradise we will verify that the reward considerably outweighs the payment.

In presence,

Linda Tulisso, Isis

From the Upanishads: In truth who knows God becomes God.

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From: On Behalf Of Linda Tulisso
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:45 AM
To: students@beingpresent.org
Subject: [Students] Message from the Teacher: Further thoughts ontransformation


Dear friends,

Robert sends the following thoughts from Cairo to help each of us continue our efforts to transform the recent shocks from Influence C.

Mark the Ascetic said, 'Unexpected affliction is called a test.' This shock comes unexpectedly, and is one of the greatest trials in the history of the school. Hans Christian Andersen said, 'One can bear an awful lot when one knows the intentions are good', and it is the intention of Influence C to eventually make us immortal through such shocks. Cassandra and Daniela used their lives to form a magnetic center, go in search of the truth and find it, which is very rare. Death is so final. I find I have to continuously keep reminding myself they are no longer here.

The Monk Callistus said, 'Do not seek to find the causes of trials, only pray to suffer them with gratitude.' This is certainly a right attitude; even with this shock it has to be that way.

The difficulty is that there are several things to resent about this shock, but the foundation of transforming suffering is not resenting it. Resentment is the last deceit the lower self will try to throw at us.

In presence,

Linda Tulisso, Isis

From Symeon the New Theologian: Once I realized that these things occur in order to test us, I endured them gratefully.

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From: On Behalf Of Linda Tulisso
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 3:39 PM
To: students@beingpresent.org
Subject: [Students] Message from the Teacher: Heroes


Dear Friends,

Robert sends the following message to us all, with his love:

Everyone is getting more in spite of and because of the shock; it makes us all more serious about being present to what is before us. I saw a sign with large letters spelling 'Heroes' and realized that you are all heroes for having worked with this shock successfully.

In presence,

Linda Tulisso, Isis

From Al-Ghazzali: Unless a man maintains the strictest watch, he is certain to be fascinated and entangled by the world.

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From: On Behalf Of Linda Tulisso
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:11 PM
To: students@beingpresent.org
Subject: [Students] Message from the Teacher: Thank you


Dear Friends,

Robert wishes to thank all of us for the understanding we brought to transforming the deaths of Cassandra and Daniela. He encourages us to reaccept what we have already accepted, as resentment tends to linger. We must experience grief in moderation.

He commented that the one positive thing about this shock is that the school did not resent it at any point. Milton said, "I argue not against heaven's hand."

In presence,

Linda Tulisso, Isis

From the Koran: Verily, remembrance of Allah is most important.

Fellowship of Friends member may have taken his own life

[ed. - It is reported that 30-year Fellowship of Friends member, and Renaissance Vineyard and Winery official, Ronald Payton took his own life, by asphyxiation at his home in Oregon House. Note: "completed his task" is a euphemism for death, reserved only for Fellowship members in good standing.]

From the Fellowship's Elysian Society website:

Dear Friends Around the World,

Ronald Payton, a beloved member of the Fellowship, completed his task on October 30, 2005. On November 1 he would have celebrated his 30th anniversary in our school.

Ronald was a member of the Isis center. His 59th birthday was Saturday.

On behalf of all who knew you, we thank thee.

In Presence,

Linda Tulisso [Linda Kaplan], Isis

From Omar Khayyam:

Ah, fill the Cup:–what boots it to repeat How Time is slipping underneath our Feet: Unborn TO-MORROW and dead YESTERDAY, Why fret about them if TO-DAY be sweet!

[ed. - PDF link mistakenly leads to Roger Cavanna Memorial Service. The Appeal-Democrat offered the following brief statement.]

Ronald Abbott Payton, 59, of Oregon House died Oct. 30, 2005, at his residence.

Journey Forth by Day to Isis 2005

[ed. - The 2005 Journey Forth by Day gathering of the Fellowship faithful at Isis (aka Apollo) was heralded as "the biggest fundraiser" ever! Though members may have labored thirty years for Robert Burton, and given him most everything they had, they still must pay to attend his meeting. For most members, the costs are a financial strain, but the pressure to attend is relentless. After all, nothing is free (except, that is, for Burton and his entourage.)]